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娑度、聖人和先知有何區別?

娑度、聖人和先知有何區別?

Question: What is the difference between sadhus, saints, seers, and yogis, and where does enlightenment come in?

問:娑度,聖人,先知,瑜伽士之間有什麼區別,開悟從何而來?

譯註:娑度,印度教聖人,尤指離群索居的隱士。

Sadhguru: A saint is a being who has attained to a certain level of pleasantness. They are good people. They have a certain pleasant energy about themselves, but they are no good as Gurus. They can only bless you. It has been the tradition that wherever you see a holy man or somebody saintly, you bow down to him to receive a little bit of blessing. His blessing will add to your life in some way, but he cannot take you to your ultimate wellbeing.

薩古魯:聖人是一個已經達到某種層次的喜悅的人。他們是好的人。他們自身具足一種喜悅的能量,但是他們還不及古魯那麼好。他們只能給你祝福。這是一個傳統,不管你在哪裡遇見一位聖人,你就向他俯首鞠躬,接受來自他的一點祝福。他的祝福會以某種方式進入你的生命,但是他不能帶你走向終極幸福。

Yogis are of a different kind. They are evolved in their technology. If they are real yogis who have reached a certain attainment in yoga, they know the whole technicality. Being a practitioner of yoga is one thing, but if you become a yogi, that means you have experienced the oneness of the existence. That means you know the intricacies of life. You know how to work it, but still you may not yet be enlightened. You might have known moments of union. So if you have known moments of union in your Bhava Spandana for example, we can say you are a part-time yogi!

瑜伽士是一種不同的人,他們全然投入在自己掌握的這門技術中。如果他們是真正的瑜伽士,達到了瑜伽中的某種造詣,那麼他們就知道這門技術的全部。作為一個瑜伽練習者是一回事,但是如果你成為了一位瑜伽士,那意味著你已經體驗到存在中的萬物合一。那意味著你了悟了生命的錯綜複雜。你知道生命是如何運作的,但是你也許仍然還未開悟。你也許已經知道了片刻的合一。所以,如果你已經體驗過一些片刻的合一,比如說你在BSP課程(Isha高級冥想課程)上體驗到片刻的合一,那麼我們可以說你是個「兼職」的瑜伽士了!

A seer may not be spiritual at all. He is somebody who has vision. You can put him more in the class of occult. Somebody may be a saint and a seer at the same time, but here I am talking about the word description as such. A seer is somebody who is able to see things that normally people cannot see. He has a higher level of perception.

先知也許根本跟靈性無關。先知是一個洞悉未來的人。你更應該把他歸入神秘學的範疇。有些人可以同時是聖人和先知,但我在這裡所描述的這個詞只是指先知。一個先知能看到一般人看不到的東西。他具備更高層次的覺知力。

The whole spiritual process, or whatever you are referring to as enlightenment, is just that what was individual has become universal.

整個靈性修行過程,或者你稱為的開悟,其實只是讓個體性成為宇宙性。

You cannot put astrologers and psychics in the same class as a seer, but they also see things that a lot of people do not see. You will find any number of them in India. In Tamil Nadu, there is something called as Nadi Jyotisham [Nadi astrology]. In the northern part of Karnataka, it』s a profession of a certain caste. If they just see your face, they will tell you everything about your past, and then predict your future.

你不能把占星師和物理學家也歸入先知的行列,但是他們也能看到很多人看不到的東西。你會在印度發現很多佔星師。在泰米爾納德邦,有一種NadiJyotisham(氣脈占星術)。在卡納塔克邦北部,一個種姓的人都以占星師為職業。他們只要看看你的臉,就能說出你過去的一切,然後就預言你的未來。

There used to be whole tribes like that in India, especially in Central and South India. These days, they are almost extinct, but still in small towns they come early in the morning, stand in front of your house and simply declare what is going to happen. Some of them are really good. They don』t do it for money. They just walk around and when they see something, they simply speak it out loudly.

以前,在印度有些部落就是這樣,尤其在印度中部和南部。現在,這樣的人幾乎要消失了,但是在一些小鎮,他們還存在著。一大清早他們就站在你家門前,只是宣告會發生什麼事。其中有些人確實非常好。他們這樣做不是為了錢。他們只是四處走動,看到什麼事,就只是大聲地說出來。

So these are all seers on a minor scale. They cannot consciously see what they want to see. Once in a way, they have glimpses. Such glimpses can earn you a few rupees, but don』t get you very far. They don』t let you see far enough to know life in a deeper way.

所以,這些都是遠見不多的先知。他們不能有意識地看到他們想看到的。他們能用一種方法瞥見一點未來。這樣的預見可能能為你賺幾個盧比,但是不能讓你有什麼作為。這樣的先知不會讓你看得夠遠,不能讓你以更深的方式去了悟生命。

A sadhu means a peaceful or mild one. If you develop a strong character of your own, you will miss the character of the Creator. So you want to lower your own character and become meek. It』s in this context that Jesus said, 「The meek shall inherit the Earth.」 Because only if you are meek, only if you are small, you will know the Big. If you become big, you will miss it. You don』t want to grow your own characteristics and be away from the Creator. You want to keep your character as minimal as possible. It is a spiritual process. A sadhu is somebody who is working on himself so that he becomes receptive.

娑度的意思是一個平和或者說溫和的人。如果你讓自己的特性發展得太強,你會失去造物主的品質。所以你想要降低自己的特性,變得溫柔謙恭。耶穌在這樣的情境中說,「溫柔的人有福,因為他們必承受地土。」因為你只有變得謙恭溫柔,你只有讓自己變小,你才能知道造物主的大。如果你讓自己變大,你就會失去造物主的品質。你想要讓自己的特性儘可能小。這是一種靈性修行。娑度就是一個這樣修鍊自己,讓自己變得具有接受性的人。

The word 「enlightenment」 in English has become very weak. But in the context in which we are using the word right now, enlightenment means someone has reached his ultimate point of evolution. Generally, those who reach this cannot retain their body. Once you have reached your ultimate point of evolution, keeping the physical becomes difficult. So only those who get enlightened on the path of kriya are usually capable of keeping the body. If someone gets enlightened some other way, he will have to use just conscious desire as a way to keep the body. There is no other way.

英語中「開悟」(enlightenment)這個詞已經變得很薄弱。但我們在現在這個語境中使用這個詞,開悟的意思是一個人已經達到了他進化的終極。通常情況下,那些達到這種狀態的人是無法保持自己的身體的。一旦你達到了進化的終點,保持物質身就變得很困難。所以,只有那些通過克里亞的道路開悟的人,通常才有能力保持物質身。一個人如果通過別的方法達到開悟,就必須只能以意識來保持身體。沒有別的方法。

What you call as 「myself」 is just an accumulation of food, thoughts, and emotions. What you call as 「life」 is just pure energy. But even this energy can take form individually, apart from universal manifestation. So if the individual has to exist the individual dimension of the energy has to be maintained and kept alive. The whole spiritual process, or whatever you are referring to as enlightenment, is just that what was individual has become universal. To maintain the universality and still maintain the individuality is a lot of balancing act.

你所說的「我自己」只是食物、念頭和情緒的堆積。你所說的「生命」只是一股純粹的能量。但是即便是這股能量也能以個體的形式存在,與宇宙性的顯化分離。所以,如果個體要存在在個體的能量維度中,就必須要被維持,並保持生命力。整個靈性修行過程,或者你稱為的開悟,其實只是讓個體性成為宇宙性。要保持這種宇宙性,同時仍然維持個體性,就要做很多事情來保持這種平衡。

Love&Grace,

Sadhguru

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